Lewis Geyer/Digital First Media Group . What do you mean needed Chris to pay the bills- they both needed each other to pay the bills. Why is it assumed that Shannan is controlling and that Chris hated it? We also know that in the weeks prior Shanann was setting her husband up in her Thrive spiels as a great father and perfect husband and the best thing that has ever happened to her. So why take the children out too? If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesn't mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. He wasnt emasculated by her, thats who he was before she came along. ; she had already spent several *5* or so weeks without him before and that was the unfortunate reasoning for the freedom to start his affair with NK. One of the jobs typically associated with psychopaths are salespeople. But you can see a pattern here, with Shanann Pouring herself into work and not being interested in any of the things he was up to. You seem to like the psychopath label. That was the plan. I feel bad for as I know she knew right after the NC trip that he was cheating on her and her marriage was coming to an end. More info here: https://crimerocket2.com/2020/10/08/frank-rzuceks-letter-to-detective-baumhover-on-his-observations-of-chris-watts-deteriorating-relationship-with-bella-and-ceecee/, Your email address will not be published. Based on her Facebook page, Shanann Watts had it all: a satisfying career that allowed her to travel, two gorgeous little girls, a doting husband and a new baby on the way. How did things change so quickly? Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. But nonetheless I still feel Chris killed the children. Daughter of Frank Rzucek and Sandra Rzucek. It seemed like Shannon dictated everything with the kids and he just followed orders. Chris killed his family for several reasons, financially he was ruined. I know we cant judge a parent by a few videos, but I didnt see the passionatly loving parent or strong engagement between he and his kids. They were Watts way of communicating to Kessinger what he just couldnt do with Shanann. By Adam Carlson Published on December 7, 2018 10:00 AM Shanann Watts' parents knew her marriage was having problems and that her husband of nearly six years, Chris Watts, had grown distant. You spoil us with love an attention! I love Chris! she wrote. He then dumped his children's bodies on an oil site owned by the company he worked for. Shanann was absolutely obsessed with money and the finer things in life. November 19 saw Chris getting five life sentences: three consecutive and two concurrent, without the possibility of parole; an additional 48 years for the unlawful termination of his wifes pregnancy; 36 years for three charges of tampering with a deceased body. Shanann "I've cried myself to sleep over a week now. Married 5 years and 9 months. Im sure not uncommon for cheaters. But wasnt he eligible for the GI Bill hmmmmm? I think he did use this separation or withdrawal narrative and allowed her to once again lead the conversations and try to pry and get more information for his gain and benefitthis would allow him to gaslight, manipulate, tell her what she wanted to hear. Chris Watts was charged with the murders of Shanann and their daughters Bella and Celeste on Aug. 21, 2018. Shanann Watts appeared to be fighting for her marriage up until she was murdered by her husband Chris Watts.. Just a couple of weeks after the first trailer for American Murder: The Family Next . This narrative isnt very nice, and not very popular. That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. I guess what I cant get my mind around is how he moved from wanting out to strangling those little girls and his wife. I hate to sound victim blaming and this is in no way an excuse for her husband to murder her and the children for gods sake!! Strangely he could not give the exact date or year they got married. Like a mercy killing. They dont want family, friends or S/Os to know so they secretly go and get this done. Having someone listen to him was a total shock to him. People with less than 2 brain cells should not be allowed to comment on public posts. Chris did a lot to help around the house yes he was the father of the family. Ive watched hundreds of hours of videos and read all the discovery on this case and I think some of what you write may be true but not all. Chris Watts has been arrested and charged with murder in connection with the deaths of Shanann, Bella, and Celeste. she captioned. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. Why is it assumed that Shannan is controlling and that Chris hated it? Then he meets Nichol, and he does what she tells him to do. They filed for bankruptcy due to do much debt they had. Place Where Shanann Watts Children were Hidden. If you look at photos of their dining room before the bankruptcy you can see a beautiful black dining set with side board and Im not talking cheap stuff here as I would say the set was a minimum of $5-7000. Taylor, "I am here for you and whatever you need. That is where the Psychology comes into questionForensically/Criminally, Behaviorally and otherwise. They are doing their best to survive the situation, she said. If we assume that she killed the children, why did he not turn her to the police and secretly dumped the bodies of his children that she killed. Didnt Shanann cheat on Leonard with the middle eastern guy at Dirty South he mentions? The heartbreaking messages hint at a crumbling marriage and a wife who can't figure out why her husband seems to suddenly want a divorce. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? An officer arrived at about 1:40 pm to conduct a welfare check and had a discussion with Chris regarding the ways to locate his missing family. And once she was done she cut him out of her life. In November 19, 2018, Chris Watts received three consecutive life sentences for the August 2018 deaths of his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. Now the Lupus posts begin. Watts said he strangled Shanann in their bed after he said she told her their marriage was over and she said he would never see their children again. I dont buy him snapping, as you mentioned on a previous post, after Shanann threatened him with never seeing his kids again. Why SW stayed in NC all that time is beyond me. Thats what probably sealed her fate. I agree wholeheartedly that relationships/couples/etc. You dont consider others at all, nor think about others' feelings.. Photo: Facebook, Netflix Obviously he came to this conclusion and carried it out. Chris Watts is serving five life sentences plus 48 years in prison without the possibility of parole. LEONARD's current wife, dabbled in Thrive, which was the same employment as SHANANN WATTS. Shanann hiding her possible impending divorce, goes along with her living in denial as she does when she tells her Thrive clients that shes a better mother and all around human being because she wears a patch, eats the bars and drinks the shakes. She did tho, threaten him all the time, to take the kids away and he would never see them again. She started working as a human resource specialist at Childrens Hospital Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus, Aurora in 2013. And Leonard King said the same thing that it was virtually impossible to engage her in conversation. Days before Chris Watts murdered his wife, she sent chilling texts to a friend. This baby in my belly deserves his full love, she texted her friend, who had advised her to go through Chris phone for signs of infidelity. To me he comes off douche-y, fake and spineless (I agree with Previous Poster)I dont think he has much of an identity for himself and lives much too much in his mind. In November 2017, Shanann posted a video to her Facebook pageto celebrate their anniversary. I cant come back like this. They may feel emasculated and when the marriage begins to fail, they lose control and parts of their own identitythis kind of melds into the CIVIL REPUTABLE killer when it comes to identity and it appears both CW and SW had their complete lives wrapped up in their family. Youre right, Emma, about there being a lack of grief. It was so refreshing to finally see an actual, logical response. He seemed very distracted and disengaged. So theres a match between a victim siding with a victim. He thought he could sway this to work in his favor. In an interview with a local news station on Tuesday, Christopher said he and his wife had an emotional conversation before her disappearance, and he pleaded for her and the kids to come home. Can you imagine her as a single parent? Hes my ROCK! she wrote about her husband, Christopher Watts, in May. I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. Hes passive, a yes man, doesnt want confrontation. Shanann and her unborn child were found in a shallow grave near the oil tanks where Watts dumped his children. This may sound strange but he could have done it to have them be with her in death. She would also get child support but its based on income and its possible, only possible, she was making more than he was. After he strangled her Chris said. This case does offer a caution to other couples to communicate openly from both sides, whether from the side being overly controlling or the side that is crushed-in, and being controlled. DENVER (AP/CBS4) Chris Watts, the sole suspect arrested in the murder of his pregnant wife and two young daughters, before dumping their bodies at an . I am curious why we never hear from any other women in Chris Watts past? In the U.S., call 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) for the. Likely when Chris did the same thing to her she may have had some insight into herself, that this is what happened with Leonard, which caused her to try her hardest to get Chris to talk to her. So maybe he was just as obsessed with money as she was. They argued and he strangled her. In an . Her lifestyle was coming to a screeching halt. Didnt she say somewhere that Chris is the one who thought a third child, hoping for a boy, would help their marriage and then she mentions to people that he now thinks Bella and Celeste are enough? Only thing I can think of even though I dont think he has it in him is another girl. Just Published! I love Chris! she wrote. It's no mystery, the Watts marriage was in trouble long before Shan'ann received that critical credit card alert on Saturday night, proving Watts wasn't at the Rockies Games, and suggesting he wasn't eating alone. I know an ex wife who was getting very greedy and sued for more and lost because her ex could show he had no income by getting his employer to pay him in cash and lived on credit cards for a while. Shannan's body was . I notice other than no longer wanting to be with him, he had nice things to say about her, she was a hard worker, people liked and were drawn to her and she got along well with them. In July, Chris flew to North Carolina to meet up with his family. Shananns family has said Christopher, 33, confessed to killing his wife and children. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. I think Nick Der Leek does an outstanding job because he cleverly reviewed the case in its entirety and was able to provide spot on the mental makeup of both Chris and Shannan beginning with being unequally yoked. Not a popular opinion. Shananns job and income depended on selling the idea of Thriving. Even though the family had issues before their tragic endthey filed for bankruptcy in 2015 friends and neighbors called them the "perfect" family,per The Coloradan. I went out looking for as much information as I could, I watched a YT video from Something Criminal, S02/E02 and it narrates a good spin on the argument that CW was also creating an alternative version of his relationship with SW to his friends and family as it benefited him. In April 2013, Shanann and Chris moved with her family to Frederic, Colorado, and bought a five-bedroom, four-bathroom house at 2825 Saratoga Trail on a loan of $392,709. Part of HuffPost Crime. [2]The Denver Post jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_2575_1_2').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_2575_1_2', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], }); Watts Murder Case Being Discussed on Dr. Oz Show. Ruth Glenn, president of the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, said social media allows for individuals to project a moment in time, versus the realities of their lives. The streaming platform recently released the documentary American Murder: . Chris Watts, then 33, had grown distant from his family and was seeing a new woman. For anyone who questions if he did, think about losing your child. I think all the abuse and toxicity of being with Shanann and realizing that someone else would want him and treat him well made him snap. THIS IS TOTAL LEFT FIELD.. Grief is written on your face for the rest of your life. So all around, it would have been a lose-lose. Tammy Lee, an investigator in the case, conducted the . She was making it very difficult for him to go through with a divorce. Interesting points made here. Shannon too did a lot for the family. It amazes me to see photos and videos of Bella and CeeCee and the love they had for one another is plain to see. And this seems to be the word he prefers to use. He never ever portrayed anything when it came to those poor little girls. This might have been in an attempt to just glaze over their issues and not answer truthfully but to answer with half-truths. She started seeing signs long before he killed them even confiding in a friend I dont think hes cheating on me as he has no game! (He was moved out of Colorado for security reasons.). $150,000 equity would have been swallowed up by realtor fees leaving the two of them not much. He comes across as predatory and basic. They added that they feared that the release of the film will only increase the harassment that they had already been receiving. Being open and honest is the best way to prosper individually and as a couple. My relationship with my ex-husband ended up terrible but we divorced and now we are with great other people! Shanann, who posted on social media as part of her job selling health products, interspersed her sales pitches with adoring messages about her husband and kids. Required fields are marked *. Well, she shouldnt have . The murder of Shanann Watts and her children has reentered the public consciousness thanks to Netflix. Shanann was born to Frank Rzucek and Sandra Rzucek. Shanann thought or hoped the marriage was stuttering slightly. As early as August 8th, Shanann confided in Cassie Rosenberg and Nickole Atkinson that her husband wanted a divorce [she didnt], but not right away. Shanann posted videos of family drama embarrassing Chris and his family, posted at least one video saying she is the dominant one in their family, insulted Chris repeatedly saying things like he has no balls and no game, insulting him to his family and to her friends. And so I agree with you Holly that five week taste of freedom sealed the deal, and he couldnt go back to business as usual. Coverts are nominally closet bi-sexuals. I have been there but sometimes you have to get a reality check. Chris Watts and Shanann Rzucek met in 2010. https://shakedowntitle.com/2018/09/30/dirty-south-customs-shananns-dirty-little-secret/. Shanann Watts Brother Always Worried About Her and the Girls But Couldnt Protect Them, Days Before Murder, Chris Watts' Wife Shanann Was Worried: 'What If He Really Doesn't Love Me Anymore? Totally depressed, unable to eat or sleep and wondering how she was going to make it on her own. Separating was sort of a trial one when she visited family for 5 weeks, and divorce was push coming to shove in Chriss mind to permanently change his life. He described how he did it. Shanann Watts is pictured with her husband, Christopher, and their two daughters, Celeste and Bella. I couldnt imagine a better man for us. Yet experts in domestic violence say its impossible to know what happens behind closed doors, and social media accounts can act as a tool to hide turmoil in the home. Why was their marriage not going well? And I say this as a woman you can be controlling and its something Im always working on. What if he really doesnt love me anymore? Very charming outside but empty inside. 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She said he had an empty head, forget everything. To her credit she was, and she did. If that were true I dont think he would have killed them as well. Shanann Watts Chris Watts familyhttps://www.facebook.com/ShanannWatts/photosCredit: Shanann Watts/Facebook, Chris Wattsdivorcehair jazzSeparationTimeline. I do think he has some sort of an underlying personality disorder, diagnosed or undiagnosedthis would explain a lot of his strange and undetermined behavior patterns since childhood. Then he drove her body to a job site at the oil company where he worked. Learn the difference. But after years of this I dont think its easy to change who you are or how you treat people. If this information is available somewhere where I can access it can you tell me where? For some reason she couldnt fathom him cheating and posting stupid shit constantly about her wonderful life that was only in her head. I never thought of Shanann possibly using these happy family videos with Chris before her death as a ploy to hang on to him or keep him from leaving. They were also due in court just weeks after the murders because their homeowner's association sued. She could barely handle the 2 monsters she had, another on the way, and Chris did a lot around the house to help out with the girls, meanwhile she had them in school that cost them 2K per month. You have some real writing talent. The American cable channel Lifetime released a film called Chris Watts: Confessions of a Killer on January 26, 2020. If so, nice of him not to say so. How old was he? He admitted to that. Have a great time.". Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. 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