Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. There should be 20 measurements not 19. Common sense tells me to leave the middle of the taper . Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. Apparently, the 'old masters' were just building fishing rods and not too worried about picking the fly poop out of the pepper. Dickerson Rods For Sale I fail to see anything in the manor of specifications for your making a point that you feel there is a difference between the two, in fact I would like to show you that they are, under the right conditions, EXACTLY THE SAME. If I were to make it I would use .040 bring the 80" value to .328, this is enough to stop all the rod action. There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. Manchester, VT 05254 (Chris Obuchowski). 55 0.217 145405 by Morten 05/26/17 03:35, Post He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. bamboo fly rod blank (two-piece single tip) - Proof Fly Fishing 6'6" 2wt. For example, the 8013 taper I use is .202 at the ferrule end of the tip, and .212 at the ferrule end of the butt. Actually, your second post said what I was going to say, look at the graphs. Its just simply to do with maximum stiffness (IE minimum deflection) for a given material weight. 0.275 Worked well enough for me to pass the test. The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. The butt was merely an extension pole to keep the tip further from the ground. I cannot come up with an application for a 7'6''#5, with its inherent disadvantages for roll casting. This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. 30 .174 .322 I have not tried it with an 8 weight but I will as soon as I get back from Texas, ya'll. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. The resulting rod won't know the difference and neither will you when you cast it. This means that the finished rod will cast like a ONE PIECE SLT rod. ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? The part of the ferrule that fits over the bamboo on the tip section (male ferrule) had the same exact inside diameter of .221" INITIALLY! I own a Thramer 6611 and 7012 HB tapers, both with Thramer cosmetics and they are both awesome rods. Good luck. The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. Dennis looked over his rod and it, too, has two nodes right next to each other. by wefishcane 05/08/09 02:55, Post If it's starting at the cork, somebody got their dimensions messed up. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection like .03%/inch. Variations below this point have more to do with the character of the rod than the line weight. 0.153 It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. June - October First found in the United States in 2014 in southeastern Pennsylvania, spotted lanternfly has spread rapidly through the eastern states. (Paul Blakley), I have a taper for the Dickerson 7613 and am a little confused. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. Just basic principles that have been around for years. In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. Dickersons original taper was as Mark stated and a true 5 wt. This is one of those bio-feedback things you must be self taught IMHO. Most of the ones I have made and sold are the PHY Perfectionist taper. a 3 1/2 wt - were that possible. Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. 0.168 All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. Leonard patent, I believe. In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. The action, for those who are more familiar fishing graphite rods, is quite easy to get used to. You can built say a 5wt using a 13/64 ferrule and any of these slopes, and they'll all be 5 weights, but if you do the math you'll see that the tip dimensions would vary greatly. That is up to the tip transition point, or max tip stress point according to Garrison. A lot goes into crafting a bamboo fly rod and here you can learn more about our approach. (Matthew French), Different rods, the 8014 is a true 6wt, the 8014G (G stands for guide) is a heavier rod, a point and shoot, no false cast, lay out a ton of line type rod. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). As a general rule, a 12/64 gives you a four weight, a 13/64 a five, 14 or 15 a six. Bogart Classic Wet Fly Rod 8.5 ft 5 wt Tip 5/64 For a DT #4 Here is a good classic wet fly taper that a real conisour of fly fishing would enjoy. I have always wondered why we don't just build linear tapers. All but the parabolic and the hinge will have the same ferrule dimension so tips and butt sections can be interchanged to create any of the major taper variations. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. The difference is for a step-down ferrule. Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. 0.189 0.178 double taper silk lines at short ranges. . So I thought I would answer that question and build one. 25 .160 .308 The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). I haven't tried a WF6 but suspect it'd be about perfect. 0.369 (Al Baldauski). They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? It seems that a Garrison-type taper with a straight, flat stress curve would be the most likely to be tolerable. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. Step Down debate again. Post If you want to adjust for a different varnish assumption, or if you want to interpolate differently, then our actual measurements are there for you (or anyone, of course) to do so. As most of you already know Paul Young was notorious for having quite a few different tapers for the same model over the course of his career. And, it's true, if you were really screwed and couldn't get a Dickerson, and were absolutely forced to rough it with a Payne, I do think you could manage to get by without shedding too many tears. (Robin Haywood). I think of it as an 8013G. As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. faster tapers. (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank (NOW IN A GLOSSY DARK GREEN) $70.00 9' 6" 5wt. We're committed to providing a safe, comfortable environment for our travelers. (Peter Jones) My original point, with which you took issue, was: I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? It also is fine on smaller streams. Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000. To this Robin brings up the complications created by the weight and placement of ferrules etc. by Mike McGuire 06/16/16 23:29, Post I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. I could probably improve just by buying a new cheap file.. It has a butt swell of about .070 also. 0.205 Not too many folks consider these mediocre. What physical characteristics make a taper roll cast well. I want to build a rod that does what a Dickerson 7613 does when casting and fished. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, I have made quite a few Dickerson tapers. in practice however, there is little point in going below 7'6'', really. A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. If you want a rod that feels like a SLT then you must compensate for the ferrules and varnish and guides by adding the proper amount of bamboo at the correct points on the taper. Regardless of what any book says about what size ferrule belongs on this or that rod, i look at the flat to flat measurements at the ferrule ends and make my own decision about what ferrule to use. I will let Bob speak to the numbers and how they were derived. I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. I have also noticed the mention of a Dickerson 8014GS. Straight tapers are just that, nobody needs to develop them, as if they did they wouldn't be straight anymore. Jim Schaaf. Chris' rod is also an 861711D. (Robin Haywood). I have made several and all have been well received. Point Dimension F E Thomas. Dickerson 8615 - 8.5ft 2pc 7wt Posted by Gary Lohkamp,15 Jan 1997. Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? It is quite different that the Garrison math method. 0.360 (Jay Hake). 75 0.2855 by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post All of the Dickerson tapers I have made using Super Zs have been great. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that.) I will be bringing it to Korea next trip to go for trout here in the eastern mountains. It will be one of the rods in what I am calling my Basic Reference Taper set. The stepped down portion of the male is 2/64's smaller than the sleeve. Is that the 1949 or the 1951 version? 35 .207 .086 by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post 0.120 well there is your answer. 0.178 Click Here for Rod Raffle About Bob New Rods Purchasing & Shipping Dickerson Garrison Gillum Glass & Graphite Hardy Heddon Leonard Miscellaneous Rods Orvis Books & Catalogs Other Items Payne Dickerson 8015 Guide Special By Jim Schaaf, 2458 - 11. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. I think it is a fantastic taper. That's so the swell is still in the action length. I really must stir myself to come and fish them, it's time that's the enemy. 55 0.2275 It is truely a wet fly action - great for those soft hacles. Adding material to the butt section will stiffen and add power. 0.174 (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? DICKERSON 801610 - 8' 3/2 - 5wt- honey colored - medium powerful action trout fishing rod this rod is my favorite 8 foot Dickerson - originals are very rare - incredible power in a true 5w$ 2150us (all 3pc 2tip rods)DICKERSON 7613 - 7'6"- one of my all time favorite 5wts, copied in Dickerson's style can be custom made with tips of four different actions below: DICKERSON 7613 LS - the lightest of this series - for closer casting to 40 feetDICKERSON 7613 L - very nice all-round trout taper, full, medium fast actionDICKERSON 7613 M - quick, full dry fly rod - nice to have when the hatch startsDICKERSON 7613 H the 6wt, "big gun" of this series, good for big flies, streamers, $ 1750us w/one tip $ 1950us w/two tips $ 2150us w/three (or all 3pc 2tip rods) $ 2350us w/full set of four tips in all actions. 70 0.261 133729 I made the Dickerson 7613 from the numbers in Jack Howells book. 0.078 Overhanging trees? Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. (Mark Wendt), I checked the several places that I usually look for tapers and they all had the swell starting at 80". Is there a classic taper that roll casts better any others? We now have solid parameters around which to modify, to refine rod design characteristics. Tom Smithwick. The last tip measurement (that goes into the male ferrule) is .204. The Lovely Reed by Jack Howell has numbers for the 1949 and 1951 versions. This system could also be very helpful to understand why a classic taper feels the way it feels. 45 .216 .375 They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. 25 .156 .310 The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. 8ft #5wt. Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. The file will convert hex tapers to Quad, Penta, Hex, Hepta and Oct tapers. It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. Looking at the 5" dimensions for the Dickerson 7613 (1970 taper), there is a big swell under the grip. 13/12. maybe someone else has one! I think the perfectionist is a fine taper and rod. That his tapers could be surpassed by todays standards? You can design a flyrod, racing bicycle, airplane or motorcar to do one thing superbly with ease. (Nick Nasello), I made the Dickerson 8615 last year for lake bass and liked it but it does get to be a bit if a bear to cast after about 3 hours. The 7613 is a wonderfully versatile taper, the rod is light in the hand, and is at home casting sizes #6 Muddlers to #16 Dry flies. I deducted .005 for the varnish. I've mostly used it for bass. So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? 50 0.203 148510 Grayrock 96. 1 wt 0.0540 I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). Pickard is the Dickerson rod maker these days. 0.102 The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post Dickerson rods have the charm of being different (and scarce). My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. Inquiring solvent-afflicted minds want to know. (Rich Jezioro). Sorry! Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. My vote goes to L.C. (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). The rod I measured generally has 3/3 node spacing with the exception of two nodes falling right next to each other. Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. (Bob Norwood). 0.350 The biggest discrepancies are around the ferrules, and you'll notice in many "classic tapers" flattening of the slope into and out of the ferrules - presumably to make fitting a tapered peg into a cylindrical hole easier. Perhaps it's a European thing to like fast action rods ? From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. 75 0.279 126179 Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. Interesting thoughts on line weight and the first 20", I will have to roll that one around in my head for awhile. All were very powerful eight weight rods with most of the action in the upper half. The Dickerson step down ferrule concept I need to know. (Greg Holland), Who knows, he may have just been responding to a client request, presume he had to eat. I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. Could this be the difference between an 861711D and an 861711? How would this feel? Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. Everything is subjective, but for me Morten, the 1949 version of the 8013 listed in the Lovely Reed is the best version of this taper. 60 0.231 142296 On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. 25 .232 .115 To my knowledge there are at least 3 versions of the 7613 out there. (Mark Wendt), I am wanting to build a Dickerson 7012 but cant find a taper that accounts for the step downs.